Do you believe that Jesus was God on Earth?
08.06.2025 06:44
FALSE PROPHET JESUS
For me, the choice was obvious because there was nothing to believe. Yahweh and Jesus were both evil, if the bible is to be believed. But of course the bible is not believable. If Jesus lived, which is not a given, he may have been a compassionate man who, after his death, was turned into a being infinitely worse than the Devil by the charlatans who wrote and redacted the New Testament.
JESUS IS INFINITELY MORE EVIL THAN THE DEVIL
RUB-IT-IN-THEIR-FACES JESUS
Biblical predestination and a Day of Judgment are incompatible. Does the puppeteer judge his puppets?—Michael R. Burch
Why believe in an indecent god?
Q: Why does the biblical god hate so many babies?
Yahweh was so evil, he would “harden the hearts” of human beings so they had no choice but to oppose him, thus giving him an “excuse” to demonstrate his “glory” by mass-murdering multitudes of innocent people and/or animals who had nothing to do with anything.
Here’s that verse in context, explaining all the things to be fulfilled while the generation listening to Jesus was still alive:
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One of the most shocking things about the bible is the cruelty of its three gods to animals. Yahweh drowned trillions of animals, repeatedly slaughtered Egyptian animals then resurrected them to slaughter them again in the next plague, etc.
How can there be a “hell” if god and his prophets never even mentioned it? Not even once!
For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. (John 6:55)
In Revelation, after all earth’s creatures have sung the praises of god, serial murderer Jesus goes on a rampage and slaughters trillions of them: a third of all life on land and in the sea.
The Christian religion boils down to Jesus condemning billions of human beings to an infinitely cruel, purposeless “hell” for guessing wrong about which religion to believe.
I grew up in an evangelical Christian family with missionaries, pastors, Sunday school teachers (including my mother) and a deacon. I grew up believing in Jesus because all the adults I trusted insisted that Jesus was “god” and that not to believe in Jesus meant going to “hell.”
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The biblical god Yahweh was not good, but hideously evil, a mass-murderer of men, women, children, toddlers, infants, babies, unborns and trillions of animals.
Yahweh was so clueless he thought stars were tiny pinpricks of light that can “fall” to earth without destroying it. Stars falling to earth is a recurring idea in the bible that appears in its last book, Revelation. The human authors of the bible obviously mistook meteors for stars.
CRUELTY-TO-ANIMALS JESUS
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So much for grace because salvation is all about works and what we eat! Jesus will search your kidneys and if he doesn’t like what he finds in your digestive tract, he will murder your children, rather redundantly, “with death.”
But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him. (1 Samuel 16:14)
“And ye [the people Jesus was talking to] shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.” (Mark 14:62)
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that orchid seeds are smaller than mustard seeds;
matricide
These are the things I learned by reading the bible independently, and thinking for myself…
Why does it matter so much to atheists that God doesn't exist?
infanticide
Is the Bible a book of wisdom, really? Who listens to baby killers? How many of us have fallen short of the “glory” of such satanic commandments?
Was Jesus — the alleged all-knowing, all-wise Creator of the Universe — illiterate? Or was an all-powerful god unable to preserve what he wrote?
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I do not believe Jesus was god on Earth, or anywhere else.
that god lets zillions of sparrow fall, giving us no confidence in his love or ability to save;
Here’s why…
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that ravens do plan and store, and are actually quite ingenious about caching food for later retrieval;
But the biblical “god” certainly did, by commanding the worst crimes known to mankind:
PETA ALERT! Jesus murdered 2,000 innocent pigs to make demons happy. (Mark 5:1-13)
So what was the other sin?
Mark agrees with Matthew and Luke:
Yahweh was a dumbass who thought the earth has a “firmament” — a solid transparent dome like a snowglobe that retains a freshwater “sea in the sky” from which the rain falls. This is because the primitive men who wrote the bible didn’t understand the process of evaporation, condensation and rainfall.
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Ethnic cleansing
ethnic cleansing
I did believe in Jesus, once … but then I read the bible from cover to cover and realized that Jesus was far from perfect because he sinned, issued false prophecies, even aided and abetted demons in a terrible crime, dishonored his mother, said and did a number of foolish things, and made numerous other mistakes…
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that stars can’t fall to earth without destroying it;
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother..." (Matthew 10:34-36)
“Blessed are the peacemakers,” thus Jesus is unblessed!
God hates and damns children before they are born. No one can be saved unless god predestined them to be saved before birth. Predestination is a recurring theme in the bible. (Romans 9:11-23, John 6:44, Acts 13:48, 2 Timothy 1:9, Proverbs 16:4, Jeremiah 1:5, Ephesians 1:11-12, Revelation 13:8)
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. 32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. (Matthew 24:29-34)
Mary and the rest of Jesus’s family forgot that he was god! Two gospels claim Jesus was “born of a virgin” with angels informing Mary and Joseph about Jesus being the son of god, and further claiming there were all sorts of miraculous signs like the magical Star of Bethlehem, choirs of angels serenading Jesus’s birth, the Magi, etc. The gospel of John says Mary knew Jesus could turn water into wine even before he began his ministry. But Mark 3:21-31 says Jesus’s family, including Mary, thought he was “out of his mind” and tried to stop him. The only explanation is that Jesus’s family forgot that he was god!
“Perfect love casts out fear, for fear involves torment” but Jesus is all about frightening human beings to convert to christianity with fear of the torments of a “hell” never once mentioned by his alleged father or any of his prophets.
Jesus appearing in the clouds with great glory, to be seen by all the people of the earth.
Yahweh murdered Lot’s wife for looking over her shoulder at her burning house. What would we say about firemen who killed traumatized women for looking over their shoulders?
Hallelujah! Praise the Lord!
Is salvation by faith or works? Jesus failed to explain clearly and the early church was riven by dissension over this critical issue. According to the apostle Paul salvation was based on faith alone, while according to Peter and James, christians needed to abide by the Mosaic law, which included circumcision and a kosher diet.
We see similar behavior during the census of King David. First, Yahweh commanded David to take a census. Then when David did what he had been commanded to do, Yahweh became enraged and mass-murdered 70,000 people over what he had caused to happen.
According to Christian theology Jesus is “one” with this barbaric god and authored the bible’s satanic commandments as a member of the alleged “trinity.”
Jesus is NOT the Prince of Peace, so don’t be fooled by Christian hyperbole:
Hell, god even sends evil spirits!
SNAKE CHARMER JESUS plugs the evangelization advantages of drinking poison and handling venomous serpents! (Mark 16:17-18)
No decent human being would do that, nor would most indecent human beings. Only the worst sadists would do such a hideous, pointless thing.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. (2 Thessalonians 2:11)
And the ghastly stoning to death of boys for being stubborn and girls for being raped or not bleeding sufficiently on their wedding nights to prove their virginity. Of course the real Creator would have known that all girls don’t bleed the first time they have sex, so it’s obvious that the real “god” had nothing to do with the bible’s satanic verses. And any decent judge knows boys and girls shouldn’t be stoned to death for any reason, nor should anyone be murdered for having sex.
What they didn’t tell me was that the biblical god Yahweh and his prophets had never once mentioned “hell” or any possibility of suffering after death in bible passages covering 4,000 years from Adam and Eve to the end of the Old Testament!
IRRATIONAL JESUS
Jesus is a racist who called non-Jews “dogs.”
slavery
Jesus saved his sternest criticism for hypocrites, calling them “whitewashed sepulchers full of dead men’s bones” and “nests of vipers.” But according to the christian religion Jesus was the greatest hypocrite of all time because he preached the famous sermon of the Good Samaritan, a man who put aside religious differences to show compassion to someone who couldn’t help himself, yet according to christian theology Jesus will decline to be a Good Samaritan by sending billions of people who can’t save themselves to an infinitely cruel, purposeless hell!
Jesus was unwise and easily fooled because he believed in a nonexistent hell that had never once been mentioned by the biblical god or his prophets in Old Testament books covering 4,000 years from Adam and Eve to Malachi. How can there be a “hell” if god and the prophets never mentioned it? More about Jesus’s belief in a make-believe “hell” later…
WAS JESUS A SACRIFICE? Seven biblical prophets denied that Yahweh desired bloody sacrifices, and in often blistering terms: Amos, Hosea, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Micah, Samuel and King David. (Amos 5:21-25, Hosea 6:6, Isaiah 1:11-15, Jeremiah 7:22, 14:12, Micah 6:6-8, 1 Samuel 15:22, Psalm 40:6, 51:16)
The rightly chastised Jesus had to agree with the much wiser woman, and repented.
A: Because he created them to be hated, with no chance of being saved!
The alleged Prince of Peace vows to personally murder christian children for their mother’s sins, with one of those “sins” being the St. Paul-approved eating of foods offered to idols! Hell, Jesus said himself that what we eat does not defile us!
Since the Holy Ghost didn’t properly marry Mary, her illegitimate son Jesus was ineligible to enter the temple!
“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.” (Luke 21:32)
by Michael R. Burch
Sometimes it’s the missing verse that makes christianity seem nuttier than Trump at a Gay Pride rally. For instance: When babies die do they go to hell—or later, limbo—if not splashed with magical water by magical priests? (Catholics) Or do children go to heaven until they pass the mysterious “age of accountability” which was never mentioned by Jesus or any apostle. (Protestants) The single most important thing for parents to know—how their children can be saved—was never once mentioned in the bible! When christian theologians clumsily inserted the pagan “hell” into the bible, they created a conundrum the bible never addressed, or even imagined. Jesus failed to anticipate and address the single most important thing of all.
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that the meek have never inherited the earth. Ask the victims of the Trail of Tears, the Holocaust, the Palestinian Nakba, etc.
Jesus ignored a suffering mother, then called her a Gentile “dog.” The woman shamed the alleged son of god by pointing out, “Even dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table.” (Matthew 15:21-28)
Jesus cursed an innocent fig tree for not bearing figs when it wasn’t fig season. (Mark 11:12)
But of course Jesus was just following in his father’s deceitful footsteps. The biblical god deluded human beings, perhaps explaining Christian beliefs in the ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE and such:
It bears noting that the last-written gospel, John, deleted all such prophecies, probably because it was written when all Jesus’s disciples were dead, or too late for any of them to be alive.
Yahweh speaking through his allegedly “great” prophet Moses commanded the worst crimes known to mankind:
Luke agrees with Matthew:
WAS JESUS GOD?
But what about Jesus?
But the Chronicler didn’t redeem his “god” because he still allowed Yahweh to murder 70,000 people who had nothing to do with the census being taken.
However, something happened at age eleven that changed everything for me…
To recap, the things to be fulfilled while the people of that generation were still living included:
sex slavery
The acclaimed christian apologist C.S. Lewis called this the most embarrassing part of the bible, and we’re talking about a book with dragons, unicorns, multi-headed sea monsters, a talking ass, a talking snake, four-legged insects, a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE, a god who mass-murders babies but can’t defeat tribes with primitive iron chariots (Judges 1:19), etc.
INFINITELY EVIL JESUS
ANOTHER FALSE PROPHECY OF JESUS
The biblical god sends lying spirits to deceive human beings. (1 Kings 22:21-23)
PREDESTINATION JESUS
Are we being a tad contradictory?
Once the beans had been spilled, why did god only warn Joseph and not the other parents?
#BIBLE #MRBBIBLE #MRBGOD #MRBJESUS
genocide
Jesus preached to spirits in hell. Can people be saved after death or was Jesus just taunting them? (1 Peter 3:19)
“Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.” (Mark 9:1)
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Ironically, atheists and agnostics give Jesus the “benefit of the doubt” while his disciples blaspheme his name from sunup to sundown by saying he will condemn billions of non-christians to an “eternal hell.”
Also, if Jesus is going to murder all christians who commit adultery, or who look at each other with lust, which he equated with adultery, there won’t be many left.
And why did god allow the Star of Bethlehem to lead the Magi to Jesus, if he knew babies would be massacred as result?
Again, why believe in an indecent deity?
Adultery.
“Mass-murder children, babies and unborns in their pregnant mothers’ wombs, but keep the virgin girls alive as sex slaves.” (Numbers 31:17-18)
Jesus said a good tree cannot bear evil fruit (Matthew 7:18) and if he was correct a good god cannot produce evil commandments.
Forget that silly honoring your parents stuff, Jesus wants you to hate your father and mother, for his sake! (Luke 14:26)
Yahweh also thought trees grew on earth before the sun was created. What a dumbass!
that red skies at morning don’t mean bad weather is coming;
etc.
The ghastly stoning to death of boys for misdemeanors and girls for non-sins like being raped and not proving their virginity by bleeding on their wedding nights. (Deuteronomy chapter 22)
And not so quick with that “Prince of Peace” thing!
“Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.” (Mark 13:30)
The moon no longer shining.
Jesus vowed that he would return to earth, descending from the clouds in great glory with a host of angels, while the disciples standing before him were still living. (Mark 9:1, Mark 13:30, Mark 14:62, Luke 9:27, Luke 21:32, Matthew 16:27-28, Matthew 24:29-34)
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own life—such a person cannot be my disciple." (Luke 14:26)
But the real Creator would know better!
ERRONEOUS JESUS
Elsewhere Matthew makes it perfectly clear that “this generation” means the disciples standing before Jesus:
Christians claim Jesus is “nicer” than Yahweh while also being “one” with him. But in reality Jesus is infinitely worse than both Yahweh and the Devil, according to Christian theology, because of “hell.”
“ONE” WITH A BABY-KILLING GOD
“But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.” (Luke 9:27)
The unchristian christian religion claims Jesus is “one” with the Old Testament’s baby-killing god. This demonic “god” was a repeat serial killer who mass-murdered children, infants, babies and unborns right and left.
Even worse, according to the bible Jesus deliberate misled his followers so that they would be damned, rather than saved!
The sun being darkened.
If Jesus was a prophet, he must have known the demons who called themselves Legion were tricking him into becoming their accomplice in murdering thousands of innocent pigs. What sort of gullible god is tricked into murdering innocent animals by demons?
INCONSISTENT JESUS
According to christian theology, Jesus was able to save the thief on the cross with a nod of his head, and yet Jesus will refuse to nod his head at the saints of other religions. An infinitely cruel Jesus will send Gandhi, Einstein and billions of other people to an eternal hell. But the Devil has no say in who goes where, so if someone you love goes to hell, it was Jesus who sent them there, for no purpose whatsoever. Why doesn’t he put his ego aside and just nod his head at everyone? Ah, but then christian churches couldn’t make trillions of dollars peddling “salvation,” could they?
RACIST JESUS
Jesus refused to convict an adulteress who was about to be stoned to death, so why would he murder the children of an adulteress?
“Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” (Matthew 24:34)
I could go on and on, but you get the picture. The biblical god Yahweh was an evil, arrogant dumbass with no sense of justice and no decency. There was nothing to believe in.
Jesus also falsely prophesied that not a stone of the Jerusalem temple would be left standing on another stone. Archeologists have unearthed many such stones, some of them immense and still standing atop each other. You can see them if you visit Jerusalem.
At age eleven I read the bible from cover to cover, ten chapters per day, to please my very devout parents.
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins [kidneys] and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. (Revelation 2:23)
But why didn’t god save all the other babies?
“A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.” (Deuteronomy 23:2)
that no christian church has ever followed his nonsensical advice not to plan for the future because they all have budgets, building plans, etc.;
SELF-INCRIMINATOR JESUS
And Jesus was no exception: like father, like son…
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This was disputed in previous comments, so I will give Jesus’s prophecy:
ILLITERATE JESUS
Jesus is “one” with a dumbass, easily duped god. Take the book of Job, where God is not only evil, but a hopeless dupe. If God is able to foresee the future, as the Christian religion claims, God was duped by the Devil into murdering Job’s children, slaves and his livestock. All God had to do was look in his infallible crystal ball and say, “Get behind me Satan, I know Job will remain faithful to me!”
Slavery
“The meek shall inherit the earth.”
God saved the baby Jesus from the “massacre of the innocents.”
The poet Robert Frost wrote a magnificent poem, “Directive,” about the fear and despair this chilling bible passage created for him as a child.
A rather spectacular series of failed prophecies.
And when he was alone, those who were about him with the twelve asked him concerning the parables. And he said to them, "To you has been given the secret of the kingdom of God, but for those outside everything is in parables; so that they may indeed see but not perceive, and may indeed hear but not understand; lest they should turn again, and be forgiven." (Mark 4:10-12)
Jesus, the Creator of the Universe according to John (1:1-3), didn’t know:
There is a LOT to be embarrassed about!
Infanticide
And to set a good (or very bad) example, Jesus called his mother “woman” and coldy rebuked her (John 2:4), then refused to see her when she was understandably concerned about his wellbeing. (Mark 3:20-31)
For doubters, I provide the text of these verses below.
We see Yahweh hardening the pharaoh’s heart repeatedly during the Plagues of Egypt, then becoming enraged over what he had caused to happen and wantonly slaughtering animals and human beings. In the end Yahweh mass-murdered children and babies. And, for no reason at all, firstborn animals.
In fact, unless we become cannibals and vampires, we have no life in us, per Jesus. (John 6:53-58)
Jesus clearly promised that he would return during the lifetime of his disciples. When this didn’t happen and Christians started dying, the evangelist Paul had to “talk down” his followers, as he did in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
Jesus instructed his disciples: “Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.” But many creatures don’t have ears. Also, Jesus failed to inform his disciples that they would need to discover North America, South America, Australia, Indonesia, most of Africa and Asia, and over 11,000 inhabited islands! (Mark 16:15)
There are two accounts of the census of King David in the bible. In the account in 2 Samuel the author says Yahweh commanded David to take the census, then murdered 70,000 people over what he had caused to happen. But the writer of the same account in 1 Chronicles was so embarrassed by such evil that he changed his version to have Satan induce David to take the census. This is the first occurrence of the name Satan in the Christian bible. Thus the bible says Yahweh and Satan are the same being!
Quite obviously, none of these things happened during the first century AD, when that generation was alive.
SINFUL JESUS
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MY PERSONAL PATH
Matricide
Sex slavery
WHAT JESUS DIDN’T SAY
The angels appearing with the sound of trumpets to gather the elect from every part of the earth.
Nothing could be clearer, and it’s obvious that the earliest Christians were expecting Jesus to return during their lifetimes, which is why Paul had to talk them down later. And Paul echoed the claim that some Christians living at that time (“we”) would still be alive when Jesus returned. (1 Thessalonians 4:15)
How did Jesus acquire the colt that carried him into Jerusalem? He stole it himself (John 12:14). He sent his disciples to steal the colt and its mother. (Matthew 21:1-2)
And this complete disdain for the lives of children and babies continues in the New Testament, commencing with the birth of Jesus…
Reading the bible from the beginning and not skipping anything was a real eye-opener for me.
Genocide
Christians love to quote bible verses about the purported “love,” “wisdom” and “mercy” of their alleged “god,” but the proof is in the pudding and the bible’s is rancid. For example:
No decent deity would do that!
FOOLISH JESUS
UNJUST JESUS
I am much happier not believing in an evil god.
“27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:27-28)
Yahweh sent two she-bears to maul 42 boys for calling a man “baldy.”
Jesus said we can avoid hell, not by faith or grace or by being better people, but by gouging out our eyes and cutting off our hands. (Matthew 5:29-30)
Why didn’t god save ALL the babies?
And why did god allow Herod the Great to resurrect from the dead to murder babies? Herod died ten years before the Roman census that allegedly required Joseph to report to Bethlehem.
But I was unaware of the nonexistence of “hell” as a boy, just as most adult Christians remain unaware of it today, and still believe in “eternal punishment.”
Why did god warn the Magi to avoid Herod the Great after they had spilled the beans, rather than before?
Jesus confirmed the holiness of Old Testament cannibalism and added vampirism. That’s why they call it the New Testament, I suppose. The old one wasn’t bizarre enough, evidently.
Predestination and free will are obviously incompatible. According to the bible, there is no free will, only the illusion of free will, because salvation and damnation were determined before birth.
20 O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? [Your children are lumps of clay, to be honored or damned at the whims of a monstrous god.] 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory. (Romans 9:20-23)
Stars falling from the sky and the heavens being shaken.